{"id":1746,"date":"2012-04-06T09:00:39","date_gmt":"2012-04-06T13:00:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.m2sys.com\/blog\/?p=1746"},"modified":"2025-01-15T23:17:51","modified_gmt":"2025-01-16T04:17:51","slug":"patient-identification-in-healthcare-tweet-chat-summary-110311-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.m2sys.com\/blog\/biometric-hardware\/patient-identification-in-healthcare-tweet-chat-summary-110311-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Patient Identification in Healthcare Tweet Chat Summary 11\/03\/11"},"content":{"rendered":"
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    Looking forward to “Biometrics in Retail” Biometric Chat on December 1 at 11am EST \u2013 4pm BST #Biometrics #biometricchat #Retail<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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    Many thanks to @m2sys & @jstclair1 for a very thorough and thought provoking #biometricchat on health care ID today!<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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    Nxt mth\u2019s topic is #biometrics in #retail \u2013 WFM, POS, access control, etc. Email topic ideas or ques 2 john(at)m2sys(dot)com #biometricchat<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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    thanks to everyone! I enjoyed the discussion! #biometricchat<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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    Thank u @jstclair1 4 participating in today\u2019s discussion. A transcript will be available shortly – link will be on our blog. #biometricchat<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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    Being looked at in Europe (in care facilities) > @jstclair1: @m2sys wow! provided some one cant just break into it \ud83d\ude42 #biometricchat<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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    Thought we would pull out and repost this transcript \u00a0of the #biometricchat from November 2011 with Jim St. Clair, Senior Director, Interoperability and Standards \u00a0about biometric patient identification in healthcare<\/a><\/strong> which was in our archives. Jim touched on a lot of topics, and mentioned that he thought the “… biometrics helps the process control of master patient index (MPI). It also provides info more accurately than wrist bands” Jim also said that, “don’t forget problems with patient ID when incapacitated – biometrics can aid in that…”<\/p>\n

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